S6E85 | Noaidi - “This Ends with Me”: MK ULTRA Survivor Breaks Free from Handler & Cult

Then, at thirty-four, the dam broke. Long-repressed memories flooded back in a torrent - vivid, undeniable, and devastating. Once she found the courage to speak out, her mother brought her to a therapist in Austin who specialized in working with survivors - the first safe space where truth was allowed to breathe. What followed was a relentless inquiry into her past, and with it, the shattering realization that she had been used as a breeder within the cult. Six of her seven beautiful children were forcibly taken from her. Her own family ostracized her, discredited her, and worked to silence the truth she carried.

Most would have been destroyed. But Noaidi rose. What had been weaponized for control was reclaimed for liberation. She began offering spiritual healing, and people felt seen, held, and transformed in her presence. Through her practice, her teachings, and her unwavering advocacy, she turned the full force of her hard-won consciousness toward a single luminous purpose: raising awareness about these hidden programs and guiding fellow survivors toward healing.

Noaidi’s life is not merely survival. It is a living, breathing demonstration that no programming is final, no trauma is absolute, and no darkness can extinguish the divine spark that seeks to know itself. She took the very tools of her programming and forged them into instruments of freedom, healing, and radical compassion. She is the embodiment of awakened courage. In her presence, survivors feel seen. In her words, the fragmented find hope. In her example, the world glimpses what it means to be truly free. She is the light that emerged from the deepest shadows to say: This ends with me. And from this ending, something beautiful, something healing, and something eternal is being born.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Heavenly Father, today we put on the full armor to protect us against attack. We put on the belt of truth to protect against lies and deception. We put on the breastplate of righteousness to protect our hearts from the temptations. We put the gospel of peace on our feet to walk in your light, peace, and freedom with the Holy Spirit. We rebuke anxious thoughts. We take up your shield of faith for protection to block and destroy all the darts and threats thrown at us by the enemy. We put on the helmet of salvation to cover our minds and thoughts, reminding us that we are children of a mighty King. We are forgiven, set free, saved by the blood of Jesus. We take up the sword of the Spirit, your living word, that has the power to demolish strongholds and is sharper than any double-edged sword. We come to you, Lord, in prayer daily. In Jesus' mighty name we pray. Amen.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 1:01

What's up, you guys? Welcome to the imagination. I'm your host, Emma, and today I'm so honored to have back on the show for a second time MKUltra, Satanic Ritual Abuse, an organized abuse survivor, overcomer, and whistleblower, loving mother, musician, writer, independent researcher of past and present history, and an incredible woman on a mission to raise awareness about trauma-based mind control programs that have been hidden in the dark and to help others heal from the unimaginable No ID. A little bit about No ID, if you missed her incredible first testimony episode on this podcast, if you're new here, or if you just need a quick recap. No-ID was born into a world that had already decided who she would be. In humble Texas, she entered this life carrying ancestral secrets older than her own memories. Her maternal grandfather proudly traced the family line to the earliest Mormon pioneers who settled in Utah. Yet beneath that sacred seeming legacy lay generations of control, exploitation, and hidden operations that stretched across Air Force bases, underground facilities, and the darkest corridors of intelligence programs. On her paternal side flowed the ancient blood of the Sami people of northern Norway. Light-skinned indigenous visionaries with blue and gray eyes, high cheekbones, and extraordinary psychic gifts, targeted for centuries and experimented upon, their shamanic abilities and capacity for astral travel had long drawn the interest of those who seek to weaponize the human soul. From before her first breath, Noity was marked. Her childhood was not a time of innocence, but a battlefield of trauma-based mind control. Sexual abuse interwoven with ritualistic ceremonies, child sexual abuse material, programming sessions that fractured her consciousness into parts designed for obedience. She was taken to Air Force hospitals, subjected to electroshock, near-death inductions, and experiments that forced her young body and mind to open portals and serve as a vessel. She was trained as a theta psychic spy and used as a beta sex slave. She was born into it, raised inside it, and for decades her true memories remained locked behind walls built by the very programs meant to control her. Yet even in that engineered darkness, a light refused to be extinguished. At just eight years old, Noite felt an unrelenting pull toward truth. Against her family's dismay, she embraced Christianity and became born again. She devoured the Bible through her teenage years. At 21, pregnant with her first child, she entered a contemplative Christian church. For 13 years, she labored and disciplined self-observation, rigorous meditation, and the sacred work of integration, slowly gathering the fragmented parts of herself into greater wholeness. That inner foundation became her sanctuary. It taught her that her consciousness could not be destroyed, that she was more than the programming and more than the pain. Then at 34, the dam broke. Long repressed memories flooded back in a torrent, vivid, undeniable, and devastating. Once she found the courage to speak out, her mother brought her to a therapist in Austin who specialized in working with survivors. The first safe space where truth was allowed to breathe. What followed was a relentless inquiry into her past, and with it the shattering realization that she had been used as a breeder within the cult. Six of her seven beautiful children were forcibly taken from her. Her own family ostracized her, discredited her, and worked to silence the truth she carried. Most would have been destroyed, but Noite rose. What had been weaponized for control was reclaimed for liberation. She began offering spiritual healing, and people felt seen, held, and transformed in her presence. Through her practice, her teachings, and her unwavering advocacy, she turned the full force of her hard-won consciousness toward a single luminous purpose, raising awareness about these hidden programs and guiding fellow survivors toward healing. Nawadi's life is not merely survival, it is a living, breathing demonstration that no programming is final, no trauma is absolute, and no darkness can extinguish the divine spark that seeks to know itself. She took the very tools of her programming and forged them into instruments of freedom, healing, and radical compassion. She is the embodiment of awakened courage. In her presence, survivors feel seen. In her words, the fragmented find hope. In her example, the world glimpses what it means to be truly free. She is the light that emerged from the deepest shadows to say, This ends with me. And from this ending, something beautiful, something healing, and something eternal is being born. So you guys, without further ado, please help me in welcoming back today's guest of honor, Voice for the Voiceless, Survivor and Survivor Advocate, Woman of God, Empath and Healer, Fierce Mama Bear, Content Creator, Hero for Her Children and for all children, inspiration, and my dear friend, the one, the only, no Ivy. No Ivy, it is an honor to have you back on today. Thank you for joining us for a part two.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Thank you so much, Emma. As always, that intro is like uh so touching.

SPEAKER_01 7:07

And you're so worthy of it. I was so touched last time you were on all the comments that people left. And thank you for people who watched receiving such uplifting and beautiful comments for the guests on here. But it was really wonderful seeing the response from people who were either survivors themselves who have some type of a Mormon background, um, just who were advocates and wanting to learn. Your testimony, the part one, was a big puzzle piece for people. And for anybody wanting to listen to that, we're gonna be talking about a lot of new information today and referencing part one. But feel free to go listen to part one if you guys missed that incredible first testimony episode that we did. There was so much incredible information there and so much about our childhood and past. Um, today we're gonna be talking about some other topics that are just as difficult, but maybe different time periods and more working towards the present. And so I thought I would hand it over to you, No ID. Ever since the first episode, there's actually been a lot that has happened, even though we worked together very recently. There's been a lot that has transpired both internally and externally in your life. And I thought I would just give you a chance to maybe catch people up on what's been going on.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Yeah, wow. Um, yeah, there was a lot leading up to even the interview that seemed to be going on as well. So I'm trying to figure out where where to begin with all of that. Um maybe, maybe uh we'll talk about my connection um with a man from my past that's been in and out of my life who I just recently left behind in Texas. Um, I believe he was acting as my handler and trying to keep me there um to try to keep um to try to keep me there so that my parents could get their hands on my daughter by um using uh CPS services uh in particular. Um this man I met when I was 17, and um I believe we were programmed together because we have been um put on missions together throughout my life. Um we were together before my first marriage, and then after my first marriage ended 10 years later, we were put together, and that's um that's the man I was talking about that uh we went to New Mexico and uh where they wanted to see our IDs, and they said don't take any pictures or you'll be shot on the spot. So this was the man that I was with during that time. Um I recently learned um right when I got back to Texas about four months ago, um, and I I came back and he was supposed to help me um after my daughter's father abandoned us. Um and that's another another thing to get into, but I believe that he was hired to um basically to try to ruin me and take me out. Um, I believe that he was most likely poisoning me. I have physical symptoms of that. Um that and one one in particular is my teeth um were perfect until he came into my life. And once he came into my life, they started to fall apart and deteriorate. And um, I since learned that like a slow arsenic poisoning um can cause the destruction of the pulp of the teeth. And to me, that's the best explanation because he had many sides to him. This is my daughter's um father. So when he left us several months ago, I decided to come back to Texas because I had felt that he was trying to keep us out of the state. And um when I came back, the person that was there to help me was um this man that's been in and out of my life. And once I got back in touch with him again and we started talking and spending time together, uh I started sharing with him some research I had been doing in the the last many years around um, I watch Dark Journalist a lot. I don't totally agree with everything he says, but I think a lot of his information is fairly accurate. I've been fascinated with it, and I didn't really quite totally understand why. Um, but since I've since then I've I've put pieces together of like why I was so curious about it and wanting to watch it. Um one of the men that he talks a lot about on there um that uh was also also was the head of CIA and an advisor to President Kennedy in the 60s. Um during the time that um Kennedy was assassinated for wanting to bring um essentially disclosure of um like the SpaceX programming or programming, um the information to the public um about UFO, about uh the secret space programs and things like that. So I found out that this man was actually his uncle, his his brother's father, this the man that I came uh back to Texas that was supposed to help me. And when I asked him about it, and he said, Yeah, that's my uncle, it was like I I couldn't believe it. I really honestly I'd been listening to it thinking, oh, they have the same last name. That's interesting. I never never thought that it was actually his relative. And when he told me that it was, it explained a lot. It explained a lot, and um I started to realize even further that that we were we were put together for programming and for programs to run missions together. And um in fact, his brother even um I believe the government has studied him because he he picks up alien language and writes it out, or extraterrestrial, if you want to call it that. Like he his his brother has this um has been obsessed with this for a really long time. So they were definitely used in programs and all related around this. Um, I don't know the best term for it. Uh, I could say UFO disclosure, but I I don't feel like that totally covers it. Um it's more complex than that. That to me feels like a slogan for you know just um sensationalizing it. But it's really something that has been active in our government and military for a long time. And the Sami's in particular were um have been identified, and I've learned this from dark journalists, as being the men in black that are seen after people have an encounter with UFOs. So there's there's a bunch of tie-ins here, and um and and I realized that though that um this man back in Texas, um he was my I considered him my first love, honestly, because we we got together when I was 17 and I fell madly in love with him. And um, but I realized that he was most likely not really helping me and was acting as a double agent with my family. Um, and I don't know that it's really because he wanted to do this, you know, to go against me, or if he's just way too tight in to the agencies um to be able to, you know, operate outside of that, essentially. Um but yeah, so so I've I've since put that together that he wasn't really being a friend of mine, and he was just kind of promising to help me install me. And um the place where I was staying, uh CPS got called again. And um my mama instincts were like, no, you've already tried to work with them, you've already done what they've asked you to do. They're just trying to get your child from you. Um one of my older children about to blow her, blur out her face. Weaver, here, come sit down over here, baby. One of my older children told me that my that the that the plan basically was um to adopt my daughter out to my sister, who is also still in the cult. And so this has been the group's plan um for a while, and I knew that um that supposed child protection agency wasn't actually trying to protect my child and was actually not gonna play fair. Um, also given that my family has a lot of pull and power in that state. Um, I realized I was basically being set up and I had to leave, I had to leave my RV and my cat and my dog and basically all my things except for my daughter and a couple backpacks and um and get far away, get further away to uh come be with some good people that were safe, that um they're truth lovers and that want to help survivors and and help bring light to the this evil that's been operating in our world. So um, so that's what happened. They these people pulled together and by the grace of God got me and my daughter up here to safety and um have been helping us, and we've got really good food, healing food now to eat. Uh we were not eating so great before because we couldn't quite afford better food, but um yeah, we're in the process of healing and resting and um coming down from a lot of that drama, and I I feel as if I'm out of that in imminent danger, that me and my daughter are out of that imminent danger, and um yeah, so that's where we're at now. Um, and I I blocked I blocked the man with the ties to the CIA, pretty big ties to the CIA, um, and not gonna be talking to him anymore because it it it became obvious to me that he wasn't really on my side.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

And that's so common that and it's sad too because these people that are sort of sent in to help do damage control don't always know that that's they they feel it's as organic as maybe you or somebody else would in that moment because it's somebody that you know, it's somebody that you grew up with a lot of times, and it can feel like an organic connection is happening or a reconnection in a sense, and then you it's usually in hindsight where it's like, oh wait, this person's being used to lure me back in, and they don't even realize that they're being used a lot of times, which is really sad, you know, the ways that they manipulate love and relationships and invert it in ways that are even not even known to the people engaging in these relationships a lot of times, you know, and sometimes the people do know that they're being used, which is even worse, you know, to come in and you know, be able to put on a face and fake a relationship with somebody who genuinely cares or who wants to be in it, you know. And I'm really sorry that that happened to you because I know that this person did mean a lot to you, and it's somebody that's been in and out of your life for a long time, and that has to be really difficult to make those decisions to walk away from people like that, you know, knowing that there's a chance that they're not safe and that it could bring more damage into your life. Um, you know, and I really appreciate you sharing that because that's it, that's an aspect people on the outside of a lot of this don't realize happens, you know, that it's extremely hard to get free. And they they send so many different people and uh sort of traps, you know, to try to get people back in who begin to wake up, walk out, or completely leave, you know, including taking children. You and so many others, including people like Kadaya, have that in their testimony where there's, you know, they know that that's that's the biggest way to get to you is your own, your own children, you know, your family. And you're so strong for still holding up and still keeping your integrity and not caving to what they want to, you know, to do a quick fix, knowing that the long-term effects of that would just be really horrific for your family, even if you were to be reunited. You know, I'm really grateful that your children have such a strong, amazing mother that's fighting for them, you know, they're gonna see that. And I know your older children already do see it, but I'm really grateful that they have a mother and a strong family member that's out there fighting for them and doing the right thing instead of continuing the cycle.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Yeah, yeah. I I know I have their support, even if they can't say it. And um, and yeah, I didn't have that as a child. Like I didn't I didn't have one person, it felt like. Um, so even though it's very hard not being with them, um, they know where I stand. And and I and I hope that that's at least a comfort to them.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

Absolutely. And whenever they are able to get free, whether that's with an age where they can legally do so or on their own volition before then or after then, to have one family member there that understands what they went through and can be there for them. I it's very rare that. Know even in six years of talking to survivors, and I know you too have have met so many survivors and yourself. Not one family member is usually there ever. And that's gonna make such a huge impact in their own healing journey and how they how they break the cycle themselves. It's gonna happen so much quicker. So I really commend you for that. And I ask everybody to pray over you and your sweet, precious daughter that you're with now, and the family that is so generously and graciously hosting you. Bless them, you know, and I ask everybody to pray over you that this continues to work in your favor, that you and your daughter continue to be free and to be comforted and to have safe refuge. And of course, for people who feel called to it, I'm gonna link No ID's GoFundMe page below. So I would really love it if you guys would help contribute to their to their cause of getting continuing to be free and finding resources and being able to pay for any bills that she has and any needs and necessities. I'm gonna have her go fund me below in the show notes for anybody that feels called to help this family.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

Thank you. I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

You're so welcome. And so another thing I wanted to ask in regards to catching up, and you don't have to go into what you've been remembering, but one of the side effects, I should say a lot of times of disclosure sometimes, is that afterwards more memories can come in and you can sort of have more doors opening up internally to remember certain things. So I just wanted to ask you about that. Since the last time that you came on, I know that you said that that happened to you, and I think it'd be valuable for other survivors to hear what happens sometimes whenever you speak out or get things out, you know, and and some of the positive things that can happen too.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Yeah, yeah. Um well to speak to the positive, I I was so nervous to do the first interview, and then once we were done, I felt like this is exactly what I was supposed to do. And it felt so healing, and I knew that I was on my mission that God wanted for me. Like there was there was no doubt, it just felt so right, and even though I was nervous and afraid beforehand, um, which I was nervous and scared before this time too, which I just assume is normal. Yeah. Um, and then and then whenever the premiere happened, um, and you invited me to participate in the chat, I almost didn't. I almost was like, I don't want to see, I don't want to see, like, and I don't I don't want to know what people are saying. Like, I was just I I nearly didn't. And and I'm really glad that I did because I found it so supportive, and I got to answer people's questions in the middle of the interview, and um I'm really glad that I did. I I almost didn't because I was too scared and anxious and didn't want to watch it again or whatever. So so I I guess that's a testament to that even if you're feeling afraid and nervous, it doesn't mean that it's gonna be bad or that um or that you're doing the wrong thing um for survivors. And yeah, I I had I had a lot of kind of bits and pieces of memory come back after that interview. Um, in particular, just when I would just be doing ordinary things, like not even thinking about um any of that and just day-to-day uh chores and stuff. I would have flashbacks to being in California. I had flashbacks of of parts of me and feelings that I hadn't felt in a very long time that that I recognized as being a part of myself that had been um sectioned off, I guess you could say, for a really long time. Um and to me, like it doesn't the memories don't always come back like fully and immediately all at once. It's almost like it's like knocking at my door, just a little, like it there there's little hints, like little things that come up, just kind of letting me know that they're there. And then eventually in God's timing, um, in God's timing, which I don't really feel that I choose it, um, the full memory ends up coming back. And and it's it's sort of a mystery how it all works because I don't really feel like I get to decide. It's just the intelligence of God and the intelligence of my body, you know, as my brain is healing and and my body is healing. Um, but I'll but I'll get little hints that something's wanting to come to the surface, just little flashbacks to moments and little feelings that I haven't felt since that time. And and just kind of a knowing that there's something at the door, but the door hasn't fully opened yet. Um, and I don't try to force it in the anymore. When I when I first had memories come up, I wanted to know everything all at once. And I felt that it was my right to know and I needed to know to stay safe. And when I took that stance, um those parts of me shut down and they just didn't reveal anything to me because it was like I was trying to force it. Um, so I've learned since then, I've learned to be content in the not knowing. Um, and and but to allow uh when it's the right time for those parts to come up and to remind me and to reveal to me what happened. And and I've since come to trust in God's movement and healing in my life that if if um if it's not coming up right now, it's because it's to protect me. Like I'm not quite ready yet, you know, like like a pregnant mother might want to give birth right away because she feels really big, but it's not the right time yet. You know, it's best to just wait for the right time for the baby to come. Um, I've learned to take that stance with memories and with these altars to to not rush it and to just allow the unfolding of it. And and it works way better that way. It's less stressful for me overall, and probably those child parts of me, it's less stressful. Um, because it they definitely they definitely didn't like me trying to force and demand to know the answers. Um I had to become firmly grounded in my life with my feet planted and and learning how to be at peace in the moment under all sorts of circumstances um before they felt safe to um come back up again, if that makes sense. Yeah, so so I find that to be a way a better way of of um of working through it is like not letting my ego get too involved and just trusting in God's timing, baby. Don't touch that, please. No, no, can you go play with the toys? Here, she's so cute. Oh my goodness, yeah, she's like pushing stuff on the computer. Here, baby, here, come over this way. I see. Uh all right, it's just part of being a mom. Yeah, um, yeah, so so that's been the best approach, I feel. Like, and and it might be a lot of other survivors are like me, whenever they start to remember, they panic and they really want all that information immediately because they feel like they won't be safe and they won't be okay unless they have it. And I just want to like reassure them that God knows what he's doing. And and if you don't know at the moment, it's it's a protection, usually. Hey honey, come here, sweetie. Look, look, okay, baby. Look, can I put something else on for you to watch for a minute? I love her, she's so cute. I know she is adorable. She's too young. So playful and sweet. Look at that. What is that? It is. That's so cool. I yeah, um, I've been weaning her off of cartoons, um, but uh, you know, for this one, I thought we kind of need something for her to do because she she was getting kind of anxious, probably because she feels my energy.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

Yes, absolutely, and it's something different too. You recording and you know, talking to somebody in front of her about things. So I love I love watching you do motherhood, and I'm so grateful that you have her. And on top of what we were just saying, I wanted to ask one thing I hear come up a lot with survivors. Um, is when they do start remembering and parts start coming up, it can create inner chaos beyond what a lot of people can handle. And so what they do is they just shove it all back down, they shove those parts back, or they might mislabel them and think that it's a possession or you know, something evil coming up, depending on the the part that's disclosing. And I wanted to see how you created that inner peace within yourself because you can tell that you've done so much work to be able to sit here and talk about it and to be able to um have some type of corroboration inside where you're able to work together instead of being at total odds with yourself and having chaos. And so I want to see what worked for you. I know everybody's a little bit different, but I think it's a really important topic as more survivors are remembering and for them to know kind of what's normal and maybe some tips on how to navigate that.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

Yeah, well, again, I feel that um this is where I got some good information from the Gurjef school that I went to because um uh his his guide to inner work really was based on creating um an observer that that observes everything that happens inside of you without um without identifying with it. So um it almost seems like it's creating another altar or another self, but it there's an intentionality in it to just observe like a scientist would observe, um, which actually ends up helping in working through all these different altars and parts coming up, because if you practice self-observation, like observing yourself non-judgmentally, just as a just as a scientist would be observing something, you know, um, without um judgment about it, just noticing essentially. Um, I spent a lot of time learning how to do that. And so I feel like that the work used to say it's like building an inner muscle that that if you intentionally create the observer inside of you that's observing your mental, your emotional, and your physical being, um, that you don't ever really lose that. It's kind of always operating in the background. So essentially it could be like creating another altar, but instead it's me choosing to do that instead of like a handler traumatizing me and forcing another altar to be there. So I think you you almost have to use some of how you were programmed to deprogram, if that makes sense. Like um, I create I created a part of me that was aware and observing, and the intention was to be aware of all the shifting um altars within me that that wasn't to come in and change it, that wasn't to interact with it, but to just be there witnessing it. And um so you can shift your focus from being identified with the personality that's coming up and what it's thinking, and you can also, because this is what the work helped train me to do, step back and become the witness of it, um, allowing it to do its thing while you're aware, you're consciously aware of it and um watching it, you know, taking notes, observing it, learning about it without trying to change it. And um so that that I feel is what has helped me to not go crazy, honestly. Um it's it's like not getting um caught up in the storm, you know, somehow being separate from the storm and aware of it without getting pulled into it. Not to say that I don't still get pulled into it from time to time, because it's it's a process, but um, but overall having setting that intention to remain aware and and observing and not being judgmental about the inner states that come up, um, coming back to that intention again and again, I feel has helped there be more harmony in in my inner self, less conflict in in my, if you want to call it, um, what do some people call it, their inner system or um, you know, their their system of altars, because it is it is like I am aware of the different states, but yet there is this um part of me that's also unchanging in and in unchanging in the changing of those different states, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 36:56

It does make sense. Thank you for explaining that. I think that's a really great way to look at it, to sort of like step outside of the chaos and look at it from kind of the outside looking in in a way. And I love that you were able to, like you said, use the programming to help you and to sort of use it against what was done by creating a part that could help with managing the chaos. Because I know a lot of survivors really, really struggle with that. And it makes me sad because some survivors I've met, they're like, Yeah, I have five parts that I've met, and the rest I locked back up again. And I'm like, oh man, you know, that's really sad because I think, you know, the goal isn't necessarily for, you know, full integration with everything, but to be able to integrate memory together and to to collaborate and to have peace inside without feeling that parts need to be just completely locked back up in a cage forever. You know, I think it's really important that we help explain to survivors how to how to get through that. Cause I know that that causes a lot of disruption and destabilization when they finally are like, oh my gosh, I have all this going on in me and I have no idea what to do with it, you know. And um, you're just such a great example of somebody who's been able to work through that and to to mitigate chaos and to have more collaboration.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

Well, those energies are seeking resolution, and I get the wanting to lock it back up again um because it's scary. But if if you can um cultivate the observer and the one that witnesses and allows the states to come up, it it what you'll find is it it's like a wave that just rises and falls. Like it the fear is I'm gonna be stuck in this forever. Um, but that's probably because that altar feels stuck in it and has been stuck in it for a long time. But what I've found is by bringing it into the light of awareness, it can actually resolve. I've had I've had a lot of experiences where I I felt like I was gonna die coming up or coming into contact with some of those altars. And um, and I but instead of running or or shutting them down, I I I met them head on. And how they would resolve and my experience um after that, I I couldn't have even predicted. Um it it would usually lead me to a place of such inner peace and and experience of the goodness and steadfastness of God. Um I would I couldn't have predicted that if I would have allowed those energies to come up, that it would have led me to that. Because the mind will say, Don't let it come up. It's dangerous, it's gonna, you know, you gotta lock that away inside of you. Um, but it's just not true. Like from my experience, it's just not true. I it usually that's probably threats from the handlers. You know, the handlers probably don't want you to remember those parts and don't want you to remember those memories, and that um you're still running the script that they've told you um is gonna happen to you if if you allow that to come up again. Um, so it's really important to keep the observer self and to keep the awareness of right now, like like your environment right now. I know a lot of somatic therapists and stuff like that will do work of of making sure people like become aware of their senses and become aware of what's actually happening in the moment, because you need that groundedness to be able to meet with if you're too much in your head, if you're too much in your head and your emotions and and you're convinced that you're about to die, um, like something's gonna threaten you, but you're not actually using your senses and looking around and realizing like you know, there's not a a lion chasing me, like um, you know, if you don't question the thoughts about that, um like then it's it's hard to heal. It's hard to heal. Like you have to kind of question and and look around and be like, am I really in danger just because I'm feeling this way? You know, like and observe and and bring in that other perspective. Um that's that's one of the things that I've found to be helpful when I get real panicked about things coming up is I have a part of me that's like, are you really in danger right now? Like, and I'm like looking around and I'm like, no, it doesn't appear so like that actually doesn't really appear as if I'm in danger at this moment. And and that helps me to relax so that that energy that got stuck in the body a long time ago can actually resolve itself because it's really just looking for a resolution, it's really looking to unwind from it's been wound up for so many years and tightly held on to. Um, it's it's not looking to be destructive actually, or to hurt the rest of the system or the body, is what I've found from my own personal experience. Even if the mind tells me otherwise, I've found that you know the mind can lie. You know, your thoughts aren't always true.

SPEAKER_01 42:54

I heard a survivor recently on an interview, not on my podcast, on another one, she referred to some of those deeper parts that come up that can be a little bit scary as concentration camp survivors. She was like, that's literally what it's like having in your body a concentration camp survivor who's like living in a concentration camp and then all of a sudden peeks out into my regular life where there's not chaos. I'm sitting in my bed, I'm in my room, taking somebody directly from an environment of torment and torture and you know hell, and then putting them in a calm environment. They don't know in that moment, as soon as they come out, they still feel like they're in the concentration camp. You know, and so I think it's it's really good to sort of have that perspective too, that these parts are living different moments of somebody's life. They're not there in the present with you, knowing that everything's safe. They're still in the memory that they last came up in, which might have been extremely horrific and traumatizing. And then all of a sudden they're peeking out into this calmness, this regular life, you know, everyday life, and they don't, they don't know it's safe. They're still in. The trauma that they last lived and the last memory that they were in.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

Yeah. And I've found in the and especially in this society, I mean, we're getting into trauma-based mind control. We're very conditioned to have our consciousness in our heads. Like, I don't believe that we come that way as babies. We're more aware of our bodies and and and other parts of us, but but we're so obsessed with thinking in this culture, like all the time, that um I realized this when I was on a retreat one time, and I had one of those parts came come up that felt like it was gonna die. And instead of running from it, I met it, I met it and felt the feeling of it. And you know, of course I thought I was gonna die. That was what the thoughts were telling me. But what actually happened in my experience was that my consciousness went from being localized here to down below my belly button. And I found myself, it sounds bizarre, but I found myself within my body looking up and seeing, seeing my emotions sort of like gas clouds and seeing my thoughts sort of like stars that were some were still and somewhere shooting, but feeling totally at peace and unaffected by any of it, the emotions or the thoughts. And um, and then and then suddenly my consciousness came back up to my head, and I was like, wow, like we think that we are only located here, like that this is where our consciousness resides, but it's really in our entire body. Um, and the reason why I think that we're not aware of that a lot of the time, especially survivors of abuse, is because our bodies were brutalized and hurt to where it wasn't safe to keep our consciousness there. Like where we, you know, it collects up here. Really, a lot of times during trauma, you leave the body and then you come back. But it's sort of like when you leave the body, you leave, at least in my experience, it was leaving out my head. So, like coming and leaving out my head and then coming back in my head. But um with our consciousness, really, if we're overfocused on our head, it is easier to mind control us than if we're in tune with the rest of our body, you know, like there's some things that we do in life that don't require thought but come from a higher intelligence, you know. Like you see it in, I don't know, and sports is probably a bad analogy, but you can see when intelligence moves through somebody and it's not necessarily a thought beforehand, but something incredible happens in just the movement of the body. Um, so yeah, so it's it's uh it's interesting to discover that because in in mind control, what they're trying to do is get you to overly be um uh attached to your thinking and thinking that you're not gonna be safe unless you think you're safe or unless you figure everything out, which you know, having faith in God, I believe, helps with that, you know, because then you don't have to be God in your life, you know, which which you're not, you know. We your thinking mind, you know, we we don't if we had to think about breathing, like we'd be dead because we wouldn't remember to breathe. And yet there's an intelligence in our body that is breathing us without us having to think about it, and that's God to me. Um, that's Yahweh.

SPEAKER_01 48:12

And that's a miracle, you know. We take that for granted, these simple things. And I think sometimes that can be grounding in itself to just sit back, even if we're in a state of panic or anxiety or fear, to be like, wow, look at how amazing my body is. Like everything's functioning, I'm breathing, I can move. Just some of those like tactile sensations, and like you said, like coming back to your senses and smelling and kind of realizing where you are and just being present with yourself can be extremely grounding and like put you back in your body and like help you appreciate it and help slow some of those really fight or flight survival mode instincts that are kicking in down.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. And I believe that the body knows like uh I there were times that I was freaking out and panicking and wanting to hurry up and leave, and God didn't uh make that happen. And I was like, okay, well, then I must have not really been in danger at that moment. But then there were times when it's like things worked out and God moved my body to a new location, and I'm like, okay, well, that was probably the intelligence keeping me safe because there really was a threat, because I actually everything worked in that direction, you know, just um yeah, it it was incredible. Like even how how I was able to get here where I'm at now, there was there was a lot of spiritual warfare and um just trusting in the Lord and trusting in God's timing, and um yeah, it definitely pulled through, and I'm so grateful for that. But there was the there's been lots of moments where I've my mind has thought, I need I need to leave right now, and and it really wasn't the case. I really didn't need to leave right then. That was that was more paranoia, I guess, mental paranoia than anything. But for me, it's confirmation when when my body actually gets up and goes and and does the thing that's like, oh, that was when I needed to leave, you know, that was to get me out of danger that I needed to get out at that time, you know.

SPEAKER_01 50:31

Yeah, and it's like it's unexplainable how you knew that, but like you said, it's it's like an inner intelligence that's just there, and it's very easy for us to overlook it or to not appreciate it and to even not trust it at times because it seems so intelligent that it doesn't seem like it could be real. And this topic, it's super fascinating talking about consciousness and um trauma, you know, and and the misconceptions about it and helping to understand it from a very grounded level. And one thing that you mentioned a little bit ago was the difference between a programmed part that's created by a handler or programmer, and then also an organic part that might be self-created or might just be a result of the trauma, but not necessarily deliberately created, just a side effect of it. And one of the interesting things that you've stumbled on recently has been a handbook, in a sense, of some of these tools that handlers and programmers use with programming. And I thought I'd give you an opportunity to talk about that before it slips my mind, because I think it goes perfect with this topic, and I think it'd be really, really helpful for other survivors and people that work with survivors to hear a little bit about what you've learned and sort of how how you stumbled on this.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

Yeah, okay. So after my first divorce, when I was about 30, 31, um I was exploring. Um I I've always been interested in spirituality and philosophy and systems of thought. Um they've all brought me back to Christ again and again. Like I have to say, that that the eight-year-old me was right from the get-go, but I also needed to learn. I also, I guess, was curious. And so I studied with this um man from India that taught non-duality or Advaita, and it was um basically the concept of well, non-duality, that that there it's not oneness because oneness implies number, but that so you can't really say everything is one thing, um, but it it removes the idea of separation so that you're just in in life and and completely uh without it without an external commentary, I guess you could say. So I was doing a lot of meditating and um and I was studying with this man who uh he came into my life after my grandfather, the one that came from the Mormon lineage, passed away, which was interesting. So he he kind of became my new handler, not kind of, he did. I realize that's um that's why I can speak to the dangers of spiritual teachers and that they come from um a lot of them do work for intelligence agencies and to keep people dissociated. But there was also truth that I learned from him too. That's usually the way the enemy works is you'll they hook you with some truth, and then there's a deception as well. So I had to weed through all of that. But he came in and had worked for Disney and NASA, and um, I believe he did some photography for National Geographic, and uh he had an advertising agency in LA. Um, so I was not awake back then to these sorts of things. I was still a lot more under mind control and had not remembered. So he came into my life and was teaching me and wanted my grandfather's computers, which I should have thought was weird. Um he he also wanted some of my grandfather's ashes, which I should have also thought was weird. I didn't give him my grandfather's ashes. Um but he he he ended up developing a relationship with me that um he ended up using to traffic me. Um and then once in particular, I I remember was in Dallas when we went on a trip up there. Um he trafficked me out at least one of the nights that we were there, which I was really upset about, and um because I thought of him as my teacher and and like a spiritual guide and all of that. Um but he did say that he was gonna give me the keys to my freedom. And one day he sat me down on the couch. Well, he had showed me that he was involved in experiments of of um what do you call it, remote viewing. So like he himself was probably in the MK Ultra project. That he he he showed me a manual and told me about how the government studied him for his abilities. And again, at that time I didn't know about MKUltra or any of that. Um and then he sat me down on the couch and he said, I want you to look at this binder. And I said, What is it? Oh, it's just um it's how it's how men go after women or something, is what he said originally. And and it's just um helpful tips. And I was like, Okay, um, he's like, memorize, memorize this. I want you to really memorize this, and I didn't know why he was having me do that. Uh, I I didn't have the framework to put it anywhere, so but I just did as I was told because he was my handler. But what I've come to realize is is that it was a handbook for um so almost like an owner's manual for um a mind-controlled slave, and in particular a woman, like a like a beta mind-controlled slave, and trigger words, um, trigger points on the body, phrases that um they would have been programmed with that would have gotten them to do different things or switch into altars. Um one in particular, and he used it on me when I first met him, okay was uh do I know you? And and that automatically put me into a trance. Um, and that was one of the phrases that that the handlers use to get get women that were like me to switch. Um I can't, I'm sure I can recall the other ones. I feel like it got taken in and made me more aware, listening to people and not going into trance when they told me certain things. Because I do believe a part of him did really care about me and wanted me to be free. Um, and I thought he just wanted me to be free in the spiritual sense because he was a spiritual teacher, but I've come to realize it it was more complex than that. It was that I was actually being used as a mind-controlled slave, and he was actually my handler for a time as well. So um, yeah, it was interesting. It's like um he used me, but he also I also he also gave me some keys to freedom at the same time, and I know I've heard other survivors talk about things like that before, where they've had handlers that have also given them um some keys to their own freedom as well, and actually wanting them to become free because they do develop oftentimes feelings for you and and feel bad, I think, for for taking advantage. So and again, usually those people are also um have multiple parts, multiple personalities. So that's that usually means that there's somebody that actually does feel bad and doesn't want to do that, but then there's also the handler parts of them that were programmed to handle you. Oh my gosh, she's so cute.

SPEAKER_01 59:48

One thing I wanted to ask you about, we didn't get into it a lot last time. Was the remote viewing Stargate program that you were a part of? Did you want to share anything about that? And there's no pressure to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:02

Um yeah, it's interesting as you ask me that. I feel a really like protective, defensive altar coming up in me for some reason. Um and uh yeah, I don't I don't know that I want to go into it right this minute. It feels like there's something blocking that right now, and I'm a little bit um distracted with my daughter too at the moment. I think I would need to be in a space where I'm like a little more undisturbed. Um there I feel really emotional right now when when you mentioned that. Um like it it kind of makes me want to cry.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:56

Um okay, baby, just a minute.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:00

And and angry. It's okay, baby. Yeah, I don't know. I'm feeling I'm feeling like that part of me is is not quite ready to share about it yet. I did I have written a post in the past about it and I took it too. Um that one of my that one of my older children liked. Um but yeah, I don't know that I'm ready to talk about it right at this minute. It feels like I might have to work through some emotions first because it's for some reason triggering a lot of feelings for me.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:42

That's not a problem. We can talk about it or not, whenever you feel a little bit more ready or prepared. And I didn't mean to upset you at all by bringing it up.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:51

Um no, no, that's okay. I'm surprised that it upset me. Like, see, that's how it kind of works sometimes. Like, I might not, my front personality may not think it's a big deal, but I have to listen also to the other parts of me. And um, and there's definitely some part of me that's feeling really emotional about that for some reason, which I'm sure uh it all ties into what's happening right now, though. That's the thing, it's it is pertinent information, um, and it also ties into what I spoke to earlier about my connections. Okay, baby, okay, okay, my connections with the intelligence agencies and actually how close those connections actually were and are, I guess, in a way. Um and it and it is really important to talk about because it is something that is affecting us all, and um I I kind of feel like ashamed to have been part of those projects in a way, like I feel it I feel angry that I wasn't asked permission and um and that uh yeah, it it brings up a lot of anger for me with um the men in the military and the the scientists that were also part of the military. I feel I feel that there was a lot of forceful programming, a lot of like very forceful programming. And um I don't know that I I would have willingly, I don't think I would have willingly participated. I don't know that their rationale and reasoning for all of that was worth the cost. Um I feel like a lot of it was ego driven.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:14

Well, one of the things that bothers me too is with disclosure that we were talking about, the remote viewing is heavily tied in a lot with the UFO alien disclosures that that happen, and there seems to be almost like a glam glamorization of it, um, where these certain people try to make it look super cool and everybody can do it and it's awesome. And to me, that just seems like such a big cover-up for the truth about kind of the origins of this, which I know go back really far. This isn't something that was just made scientific through projects like what you went through. It's something that's very ancient. But the fact that it's been weaponized and it's it's been exploited, you know, and and this the exploitation runs so strong in your lineage, both on the Mormon side and the Sami side. I'm sure that's devastating to see how all these spiritual die continue to be. You know, this has just been so long running on your lineage in general.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:18

We've we've been so lied to, um, and and our minds manipulated about the truth about reality that it actually infuriates me. It just reminds me of a bunch of bullies, like honestly. Um you know, they're they're trying to play God, is what they're doing by obscuring the truth. And and and they're trying to feel special that they know the truth, and and they put other people that don't know the truth into the category of being idiots, and they like to test them and experiment on them and. It just infuriates me really because we all deserve the truth just by um just because we're here and we're human and we're worthy of of knowing the truth of our reality. And um and so yeah, I'm w we are we are sold a bunch of lies. And I don't know how far I want to get into it, but yeah, the NASA is lying about almost everything, and um it is infuriating to me that people's hard-earned money goes into funding these organizations that are lying to people.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:51

Um and they're glamorous too, they're made to look so cool, and you know, the the cover story for it is such bull crap. It makes me really mad too, especially when an organization like NASA comes up over and over and over again in these testimonies as being complicit. It's maddening.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:15

It is, it it it really is, and it's um yeah, I mean, I think that these people need to repent for what they've been doing, you know. It makes me think of the Freemasons because they're all part of it too. Um, which um I do believe that um in order to be in the positions that the men in my family were in, they would have had to be Freemasons.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:42

Um seems to be really heavily tied in with Mormonism, too, from a lot of the testimonies that I hear. They seem to go really hand in hand.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:52

Yeah, yeah, it really does. The Mormons, um it's a strange bunch that they followed this guy that just has these crazy ideas, and um uh yeah, I know it's it I don't really know what more to say about it right now because I'm kind of afraid of saying too much at the moment. Um but we're being lied to and it's not as it's not as sci-fi as they're trying to make it appear to be. Um I believe that the the UFOs are actually military and they've had them for a long time. There's no aliens up there. Um there's underground bases that they have these um vehicles, I guess if you want to call them the aircraft. They're sort of scapegoating aliens in a way, um, and not I believe, and and not taking responsibility for the fact that this is largely human humans. Um yeah, it's it that's part of how mind control worked. Um, in a lot of rituals, people would dress up as characters or um other beings, but it was just people, and they would they would inflict trauma upon, especially children, to get them to believe that that you know it was aliens or um some other being, but it was really just humans. Um feels to me playing a sick joke and trying to play God, trying to get a response from another sentient being um to feel as if they were more powerful than them, and to actually have control over them, to have power over them. So it comes from a misguided place because if if you were really in the right relationship with God, you wouldn't need to play God, you know, like that's how I feel about it, and and I I get really angry that we've been lied to at such a massive level, um talking massive, and when people really realize the truth of it, they'll be like, why were they even lying to us? Like, why did they make it such a big deal? Like, and it's I think it's the Luciferian um the Luciferian um cults, they they want to feel like God, they want to feel all powerful, they want to be the one to give the permission and you know um engrandize themselves. So it uh it's really disgusting to me because I don't feel like it's necessary at all in order for us to have um a good human life here. In fact, I think life would be a whole lot better if these um groups would stop trying to play God.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:24

With a lot of these advanced technologies that they have, they're so selfish and, like you said, egotistical and want to be the owners of it instead of having it be something that's owned, that instead of being able to admit that they have advanced things that the public doesn't have access to, they're like, oh, just look at the sky, it's up there, it's coming from up there. Don't look here, we don't have anything here. And everybody does. Everybody's looking up at the sky for UFOs and aliens, and it's like, you guys don't think that the government and affiliations with the government are hiding advanced technologies that would look very alien to us if we were to see them because they're so much more advanced things that we have access to.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:07

Because they've been hidden, you know, they can easily hide it, and it it's they can easily fly them in areas that are not populated by people. Um, but yeah, I I guess I want to just say that what I truly believe and feel to be the truth is um extraterrestrial is is not um upper terrestrial. It's it's uh extraterrestrial means more land, actually. And um outer space, outer space is not upper space. So when they say outer space, like this is how the Luciferian things work, they they switch things around all the time. They're telling you they're from outer space, but they're pointing up there. But they are saying that, right, they are from outer space, but there's outer spaces. There's General Bird actually came on television and told people that there are more continents beyond Antarctica, there's more land, and and you know, could could there be other, you know, um other kind of uh races that are like humans or human-like or even human? Yeah, I think that's a high probability, but they're they're deceiving people by making them think that they're coming from the sky. Like this is extraterrestrial means extra land, ex more land. And um General Byrd was killed for for revealing that, I believe, in the 40s. Um, and I think this is this is what pisses me off so much, is they've created this sensationalism and made it seem so extravagant and made people think of Star Wars and stuff like that, when in reality they're just they're they're hiding um the fact that there is more land than what we're told on this planet.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:21

And just to prove you right, I actually just read an article a couple days ago that introduced an eighth continent called Zealandia, it's like off New Zealand. Oh, yeah, I've heard of that. We didn't explore and didn't know much about it and didn't want to talk about it. So it's like how many maps exactly. We all that we see is a map, and like flights are all controlled. A person can't, you know, unless you have just all the money and connections in the world, nobody can just go fly around the world in their private plane and like go check out islands and stuff. We just have to believe what they tell us on a map, and so that's all that's what we think exists. There could be a hundred continents, and all that we know of are seven or eight, because that's all that they want us to know about, and those that's the only place that they allow planes to go, and so we just we're under mind control and just think that's all that exists.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:20

Yeah, yeah. I mean, what do you do if you want, you know, uh, I mean, isn't that kind of how they treat cattle? Like, you can't go outside this area, you know, like they're they're treating humans as as cattle, essentially, here. And um, and it it yeah, it infuriates me because every human being has a right to live a free life here, and I believe that's what the creator wants for all of us. Um, and I don't think it actually has to be so sensationalized, it doesn't have to be like, oh, that's a conspiracy theory. Like uh it's probably just truth, it makes more sense to me than this whole Star Trek, um, you know, Star Wars idea and and these alien stories and um of uh extraterrestrials from outer space, uh you know, um it it would have to be something that is in some ways ordinary, just like the rest of our observable life. Um, that there that there is a reality and an ordinary substance to it, and uh that's part of the disassociation is the fantastical thinking, I believe, um, keeps people out of really being in their body and and and living like like they should be fully living here.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:55

Um but yeah, I didn't know I was gonna get into all of that, but it's because it's all relevant to what's happening right now, you know, and and it's fascinating to me. One of the things that I've tried to really hone in on this podcast that I've noticed and seen a pattern of is the relationship between mind control and the sort of UFO alien UAP disclosures and how fascinating it is that publicly they're two totally separate things. You know, there's the whole abductee group that, and then there's the people that have witnessed and can, you know, communicate and commune or who have witnessed aliens and UFOs, and then the MKUltra child trafficking side of things is a completely different disclosure movement. Yet in almost every testimony and um every single interview I've done almost, there's been some type of mention of seeing some type of hybridized beings, whether above ground or under. And survivors as children disclosed, or I should say as adults disclosing that as children, they interacted somehow or saw, or um whether it was personally or saw just, you know, in in programming, some type of advanced technology, whether that was underwater, whether that was planes, whether that was some type of craft, you know, and so it's it's interesting to me how they've really pushed it to be so different and sensationalized in their own ways, you know, and that these movements haven't collided and collaborated yet and like come together and put all of their information down and been like, wait, these things go together. Like the common denominator here is the government and is you know, these people that are working in in mind control, like it all goes together and instead pushed it so far away. So everybody's running in these hamster wheels that never have a resolution. It's always, oh my gosh, you know, what is the UFO? What's an alien? What is this? You know, and it never comes down to being a grounded conversation of like pointing the finger at who's responsible for all of it. It's not up in the sky, like it's right here next to all of us. You know, it's it's our society, it's our government, it's here in another country, it's here on the ground, on earth, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:12

Yeah, and government means to control the mind.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:17

So, you know, yeah, and they keep it so compartmentalized, especially through Hollywood and through, you know, I haven't watched movies in a really long time, but you know, I know that they just recently released a movie about disclosure or something, or aliens, I think. You know, so they they keep it compartmentalized that way by making it seem fantasy or making it seem um yeah, extravagant or whatever, um, so that you don't know how to like weave that into the reality of real everyday life. So I don't know. I I feel angry that we've been so duped, you know, like that's um that feels infuriating to me. Like I feel like a mama that's just like walked out on a playground and seeing all these like men that are acting like little boys and doing really naughty things and and wanting to be like, like, what have you been doing to all of us? Like, you think this is a game? Like, this is not a game, and stop, you know, just stop it. Uh, it's not just men, I know that, but um, but it's you know, uh, there's been more men in the military, I probably than women over the long haul. And um and I just think it's um rooted in in this satanic Luciferian um uh ideology of wanting to be God, wanting to be like God, and wanting to feel all powerful, and you know, feeling feeling all powerful for knowing, you know, keeping secret things that we should all know about our worlds. And it's they're not all powerful, they're just liars. Like, that's really what comes down to. Like, no, you're not like God, you're like the devil because you're lying, you're a liar. You know, that's that's easy for people to lie if they really want to lie. That doesn't make you like God. God is creative, God is unique and creates unique, beautiful things that can't be replicated by any man. Um, and so yeah, these these groups um to me are um it's it's shameful to humanity, I feel like they they should feel ashamed of themselves of of how they've treated everybody. And from a higher spiritual sense, like Jesus said, what you do to the least of these, you do to me. So what they're doing to us, they're doing to Christ. And that's a huge like that's a huge problem because Christ is um Christ is love and Christ is um life and the way, of course, of that life um is sustained and created. So it's yeah, I I think I'll end my rant there.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:45

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on some of that. It's amazing, like you said, like how deep we've all been and like how far you've gotten us away from the truth, and how people like haven't connected the dots, and then also how you and other survivors who have that connection and can easily explain it to us have been so censored and silenced and you know pushed out of the mainstream, so you're not helping people, so you're not able or capable of helping society see the bigger picture, and then society also lives are at stake because we don't know this, you know, and and all the people that are being harmed because of these guys. It's just it's horrible. So I really appreciate you sharing, you know, and look forward to hearing more about that as you feel more comfortable sharing more about it, you know, and learning more about your testing.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:36

One thing I want to say is that they're they're most likely gonna do some sort of push uh around all of that disclosure to get people's emotions all worked up and to convince them that they should have more control over everything. And I I just really hope and pray that um people see through the the BS, you know, like like I really hope and pray that it's not like how COVID was where people um so many people fell under mass delusion. Um I I pray that that there are enough people awake that um that their deception will not prevail.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:25

I completely agree, especially since so many survivors have talked about a new world order or a one world government, you know, and and sort of how everything's leading to that and how it was just a topic that was very normalized growing up as a child in these programs, that that was a goal. And, you know, it's like how you said they look at us like cattle and they're just leading us to, you know, the slaughterhouse, and everybody's like cheering it on because it's made to look like this amazing thing that they're offering us, they're solving our problems by doing these things. And you know, I really do hope and the good thing is more and more people are waking up and more and more people are seeking out alternative information and looking for answers because they're not feeling right about it, you know, they're seeking their own inner intelligence of not feeling that things are are right and they might not have the answers, but they're trying to find them. So that gives me a lot of hope watching more and more people at least asking questions.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:19

Yeah, they can't be the solution if they've been the cause of the problem. Exactly. Like, well, who do you think you are? Like, let the people decide for themselves. Like they we we all need to um yeah, we we all need to wake up and to come in right relationship with our creator and um and stop trusting in these basically self-appointed authority uh groups and figures, and to really trust the one authority that lives us and that creates us, and that really um that's beating our heart and breathing us all the time. Like that's that is the true authority that that we need to seek. Um, because these so-called other authority figures, they're not gonna come up with a solution because they made the problem in the first place.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:16

Absolutely. What do they call that the Hegelian dialect? Create the problem and then offer the solution right after.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:22

Yeah, yeah. Don't stop letting them pretend to be God, stop giving them you know your consent that they're more powerful and and really come into right relationship with the true power here.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:36

Absolutely, and I'm really grateful for everything that you did talk about today. It was really interesting to getting to talk a little bit more about programming with you, deprogramming, and just tips that we can help other survivors with as they're waking up to you. Was there anything that that you did want to talk about today that we didn't get to yet that you want to close with?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:55

Um no, I don't think so. I think this is good for this for this episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:03

Okay. Well, let's tell people how they can connect with you and also how they can support you.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:08

Okay. Well, um, I'm on Instagram at No Iidi Roots. Um, I have a Cash App, which is also No Iidi Roots, and um my GoFundMe will be linked down in the comments. But um especially I welcome prayer, prayer for my daughter and I and all my children um that we heal, that we're protected and provided for and um safe. Um I would like to continue to share more of my testimony and um and to break the generational curse, um, and especially keep my daughter out of the colts, but then um have my other children come back to me and start to heal from that as well. So I definitely welcome your prayers and uh loving intentions.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:03

I do too, and I ask everybody if if you can't contribute financially or if you're not on social media, please say a prayer. It's so powerful, and it's been so helpful to No ID and some of the other survivors that you guys have all come and been occupied for and who have prayed for. And again, the the family that's been so gracious to house them. I'll have her cash off handle as well as her Instagram, and I'll just bring your Instagram up really quick to you. So that is Moite Bruce, and she's been posting on there, so please go follow. She talks a little bit more about the Sammy culture and some of the background on her lineage. Um, very interesting information on these posts that that she's made. So please go follow the GoFundMe as well. Um, I will have on the in the show notes also. And if you guys could please contribute, especially as they're in this space of having left everything behind in order to seek refuge and safety, it's really difficult to start over. And although she's no stranger to doing that, you know, it's really helpful to just have a little bit of help along the way. So if you guys could please go contribute, support, whether on the Cash App or GoFundMe Here Fundraiser, I'd appreciate it so much. No amount is too small, and it just goes such a long way. And No ID, thank you again so much for coming on today and for sharing. I'm really honored to know you and grateful to have these conversations with you. I think you're just amazing, both as a mother, a warrior, a friend, and an advocate. I think you're just an absolute miracle. I'm excited to have you back on and just honored to have you on here. I'm grateful for you.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:51

Thank you so much, Emma, and I really appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:57

And I appreciate you too. And so, for everybody listening, head to the show notes. We couldn't do this without you guys. You guys are the backbone of this movement, and I'm so grateful for all of you. So, with that being said, thank you so much for listening. God bless you all, and we will see you next time.