TIP 'Movie Night | Max Spiers Unplugged - Speaking from the Heart (Bases 59 P2, 2016)

In this candid 2016 interview, the late Max Spiers shares a raw perspective on hidden global forces, emphasizing human intuition, emotional sovereignty, and spiritual awareness. Recorded shortly before his passing, the discussion challenges the manipulation of reality and urges viewers to trust inner guidance and question illusions of control.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:01

So hi Max. Hi. Um, just want to hear something from you and I've got an associate with me who would be asking a question or two. That sounds like a good plan.

SPEAKER_00 0:13

So if I look over that way, the associate's on that side. Yeah, okay. Brilliant. There she is. Okay, that would be good. So then if we can bounce off each other that way, yeah just a little bit, then it'll help me out, alright? That'd be brilliant. Perfect. So I'm easy to do whatever you want to talk about.

SPEAKER_03 0:30

Max, it is a real pleasure to meet you.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

Watch your videos and your courage just shines through in everything that I've seen that you've done. And I really truly thank you for that and for speaking out.

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Thank you. Thank you for saying that. It was actually never my intention to do that. I think that because of circumstances in 2008, and I was so needed to find out what was happening to me that I sort of that was the that was the route that I had to go to try and to try and find out stuff. So essentially I started it and began doing it for sort of selfish reasons, really, and then it opened up and then I you know I wanted to help other people who'd been through anything that was even remotely similar to what I've been through. So that's that's that's how that began.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

So so what advice would you give to anybody right now who is just starting that road of looking within and looking for answers?

SPEAKER_00 1:36

Yeah. Um definitely um there's so much confusion outside, there's so much confusion going out on outside, there's so many different people telling so many different things that um especially at the moment, what I've been trying to do, and between the people that who I speak to and friends of mine and people who I work with, I have been the one thing that this particular consciousness stream that is controlling or has its hands on controlling the planet at the moment is vampiric in nature, which is vampiric. It's it's a taking energy, it's not giving energy, it doesn't have a central source where it can't self-s kind of self-sustain, has to take from others. Um so with all the confusion that's going on on the outside, um, I started to find the best information when I was away from any other distractions, from away from any even other people, just being alone and actually allowing myself to be alone and just being with myself, without music, without television, without anything. And then sort of things when I had the longer I spent by myself just doing that, even without books or anything, because books are even a distraction, sort of things would start coming to me, and memories would start coming to me, and um that that sort of like quiet voice that's inside of you would start opening up, and there would be a clearer, clearer connection between me and it, even though it is one and the same thing, and so so um uh to to like I said, there's so many different things, and so many different people saying different things. I think that to start learning to trust yourself, um, and uh, and then you sort of take take what feels right to you and personally to you and um leave the rest alone and put the rest down. Um and that's how I that's what I did to start with. It didn't matter if somebody else said to me, like, this is it, this is for sure, this is the you know, this is how that happened, and this particular story and this Anunnaki did this and that. Well, it that that that didn't matter. Like, if it felt right to me, then I would take hold of that and then sit alone with that feeling, uh, you know, or that inform sit alone with that information and see how it sat with me. My sorry, yeah, my ears.

SPEAKER_03 4:13

I understand that what you're saying there as well, but there's so much bombardment of external especially now.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, with so many frequencies going on in this single area as well, you know, and and that can even be a distraction. Um, but yeah, there's there's, you know, there's a lot of uh people who um there's I don't like this the ego part of uh this field either, where people like, you know, I don't like the word followers, and that seems to come up with I've got like I've got 5,000 followers, and uh, you know, okay, what does that really mean? I I don't think anyone should really be following anybody. And you should perhaps like look to self and then trust self, and then you don't need to follow anybody. Sure, sure. You sort of follow yourself and you guide yourself because when you follow, so when you start following somebody, you're handing over your power, you're giving away your power. And the whole point and the whole mess that we're in in the first place is that we've handed over our power to ever everybody, everybody else, and that's that's the issue. You know, the vampiric consciousness that is here has created um religions or sport or um uh uh philosophies or any of those. It doesn't they don't care particularly which one you follow or which one you attach to, it's none of their business which one you do, but as long as you attach to one of them, because each one is connected to like they're like it's like a multi-headed or about maybe an octopus. So if there's a central point like that, so each of the strands come out, but they all lead to the same center point, which is a black hole essentially, it's a black hole uh that is pulling energy from people in any way, and they particularly like you know uh any of the religions because that's you know that's that's precious energy that's given away like that. Even uh um a lot of the um big music uh gatherings that go on are set up ritualistically. So uh they don't care whether you're cheering or whether you're booing, it doesn't really matter as long as you're doing it strongly. Uh so you like even Glastonbury is now set up in a specific way where the stage, it's all ritualistically done what to pull energy from the people. Then then they gather that energy, harvest it, and use it then to manifest the false reality that we're living in. Because they can't create reality, they don't know, they don't, they don't have the create they don't have the creative spark themselves, but they do know how to manipulate the ones that do have it, and that's essentially what the deal is. They're manipulating this because it's the subconscious that creates the physical reality, and they've hijacked the subconscious of the real creators, and then now we're flecking this false reality mess. Um, there's a lot of complexities of the goal and exactly how that works, in my opinion. Um, but yeah, that's that's what's going on with that.

SPEAKER_03 7:23

Yes, and I've I did that myself for a year. I cut out all external sources, including books, yeah, yeah, yeah. And just went within to unravel myself. And what was it that I believed rather than and what did I know within myself rather than what I had been taught and told was reality.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

And okay, so this is that's that's a very good point, because so so the the creation of this reality begins at the young age. So all the textbooks um and all the history books are are then written and and uh so that when you so that we all collectively believe this particular thing, so then we all when we all believe it, we all manifest a reality that's based on these books.

SPEAKER_02 8:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

Uh that's very sneaky, you know, very clever way to do it. Because how do I know how do we know the textbooks are uh uh legit? They're not the the the the the wars are written by the winners, aren't they? And so the winners write whatever they want to write in there, and then then we just believe it, we take it on board, so we so we start we start learning that numbers and letters are they only give us a very simple version of what numbers and letters are, and there's so much more to what numbers and letters are. Uh, even phonetically, um uh how how how a word sounds, how you say it when you speak, how it sounds to a person is going to affect them. It's not just a word, you know. I I think I wrote the other day, you know, I think you know, people know this, but um, you know, you spell a word because words are spells. Yes, you say a sentence to somebody, you're you're literally saying a spell. And words are you know, that that old adage, sticks and stones, I break my mind's word, words when you know names will never hurt me, is is is not true. Yes, yeah, because words are very, very powerful.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

Yeah, I go further and say thought matters.

SPEAKER_00 9:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:28

Literally matters.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

Yeah, yeah. Well, thought creates matter.

SPEAKER_03 9:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

All our words are endorsing that.

SPEAKER_00 9:37

Yeah, reinforcing it all the time, reinforcing it, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:41

You said something um a moment ago um to do with uh the vampirism that goes on on this planet.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

It it is a vampiric consciousness, yeah, yeah, no doubt about that.

SPEAKER_03 9:53

Um from my own spiritual journey, I would say that that is uh where we've forgotten who we truly are along the way because we're self-sustaining when we're connected to our true self directly to source.

SPEAKER_01 10:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:10

And what religions do and many of the other belief systems do is it's it cuts us off from that and we're placing our power to something else rather than our own unique self.

SPEAKER_01 10:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

And when you mentioned followers, again, it's not about followers because every one of those people are individuals with their own uniqueness defined.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

And and what you're doing is showing your uniqueness.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Yeah, yes.

SPEAKER_03 10:39

But you don't want people to copycat.

SPEAKER_00 10:41

No, they don't, definitely don't. And I don't want I want also people to discard what they don't agree with what I'm saying. If it doesn't fit for them, fantastic. Then don't then let that bit go. That's that's okay as well. And I'm definitely not nowhere near 100% correct. I just I know on I know that I'm on the right, I'm pointing in the right direction. Yes. That I definitely know.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Um uh yes, so um it is it's this it is parasitic, the consciousness that's here. Sometimes I see it as an imagery of like maggots, like a maggot-y sort of energy, energy that's sort of like it just eats through, eats it, but it's it's its mind is about its mind, its thought pattern is conquer and destroy. And that's what it does, and that's what it's done to other planets. And that's what it's trying on this on this particular planet. Uh, they want to sort of as well to think that this is an insignificant place in the middle of a universe, in the middle of a super universe, a tiny little dot that's you know, that's insane. When it isn't this particular planet, Earth, is an anagram for heart. So this planet here is the one that they want to take control of. So they will want to take control of the heart. The human heart is connected to the earth. And that's that's the one, that's the fine, that's the one they can't. It's very easy to to control the base chakra. I mean, because that's that's mainly what's driven through television and media all the time. It's it that's all it's bases, always like you know, primal energy. Uh uh, bestial energy is sort of always invoked in that, and they can sort of feed from that. But it's the heart energy that they really want, and they really want to take over.

SPEAKER_03 12:32

And there are not many movies that are heart-based.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

No, there's not. No, there's not. Real ones. And if there, if there is, they're usually there's a sad, you they'll they'll hit you with a sad point in it. So you'll you'll feel it, you know, you'll feel pain there. Another thing with cinemas or movie theatres are all uh uh sacred, sacred geometrically set up to um harvest energy from the people. So when you have a horror movie or uh some of the extreme nasty movies that come out that have been coming out over the last like 15, 20 years, um the people in there, when the people when you when people shock like that, the the the movie theatres are set up perfectly circular geometrically to then harvest the energy stroke from the people in there, in the same principle as any uh uh mass gathering. Right here, we're gonna do that. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 13:27

Definitely, yeah. And that's one thing that um most of the populace do not understand is about energy.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

No. And how it's we're not taught about it, we're not taught anything to do with that, but we're actually, I mean, we're either taught um the atheistic scientific uh uh point of view or the Christian point. I mean, I know there are other religions as well, but I'm just saying in general, we're not there's the god uh God or there's the the atheist view. We're given those two and that's it. We're not taught taught or told anything about how uh electromagnetic energy works, and really, you know, uh these these this vampiric consciousness is using black magic to do what they do. And black really, really magic is just the manipulation of electromagnetic energy with will and intent. Nothing else more than that. It's not anything else because it's root through ritual. Um when you do a ritual, you then tag and you connect into the morphogenetic field of every other time anybody else has done that ritual before. So the other, so so then that ritual is extremely powerful and extremely important to them. Um they're obsessive with that. So the so you know they base they they're they're based solely on like the reptilian brain. We all have the reptilian brain, but they primarily work through that, and that is uh um uh obsession and compulsion and um um seek and destroy and conquer and um like all the primal work, but it's also it's very competitive as well, totally and utterly, and it's competitive with with the with the way that if you lose, then you you know you die, basically. Like the weak they have no time for the weak. The weak will be taken out. They don't like so uh that that that consciousness doesn't if they have a child that is uh um disabled or weak, they they push it to the side and get rid of it or they'll kill it. They don't they're not interested, they're only interested in in strong. Uh will strong work, strong survive. Um, it's which is like the opposite to what humanity is. Humanity the the human heart has compassion and cares about um what what the weaker or the disabled or or that and and and and and wants to make sure that they're protected and saved. So what they've managed to do very calculatedly, calculated is a good word, um, is put two completely opposing consciousnesses, consciousnesses, into one body. So so the human like the human the the the mammalian which is which cares for its young and feeds its young, and then the reptilian which discards and doesn't and pushes it away, and put it into one body. And that so human beings in and of themselves are um at odds with each other, at odds with themselves as soon as they're born. Isn't it in a battle? Yes, all the time with all of us. Yeah, it doesn't fit. Those two c those two consciousness, James, don't fit together.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Um so listening to oneself, yeah, turning off the noise, you know, even if it's for half an hour each day, and allowing to understand and and hear that inner voice, that inner knowingness is vital. Definitely because that brings back to uh a neutral and a balance within ourselves and a connection to our true self as well.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Yeah, who you truly, yeah, exactly. And um uh going back to the heart again, and I've been writing about that more more recently, because um like the final that is the final push, like the the great work of Asies is what is which has been going on for um probably more than 20,000 years, really. I mean, uh the history that we're told is completely incorrect in every way. I mean, even down to like the cavemen and uh that it's just this can't be correct history. But um, so the great work was to uh it's to conquer the human heart, the human being can't be done overnight. It take it takes a long time of calculated planning to do it over. And they these these people um they they start a project that they know that won't be finished in their lifetime because they know that they know the bigger picture and they know that they're working towards a a grander plan, and the grand plan is to have a complete control of the human heart, and then the capstone can be placed on top.

SPEAKER_03 18:33

And the thing is with humans as well, one of the beautiful endearing qualities I love about humans, which um since the since the modern era has come along with technology and video games, compassion and empathy is something that humanity's been losing really fast. Yeah, and I found that really disturbing because that is an endearing part of being human.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

Absolutely, yeah. No, they're definitely with video games, and there's no doubt about that. That that um well they use, especially like the Grand Theft Auto games, I don't know if people definitely won't know what they are, um, it allows you to go and be brutal, as brutal as you like, yeah on a on a on a very sort of realistic scene. So you can go and and and and attack just anybody on the street, and you can drive and you can run people over. And so it sort of starts to slowly erode the natural empathy that human beings have. That's just one of the angles that they're having to get rid of it. They don't want, they want to make us like them.

SPEAKER_03 19:40

Yes, and it's desensitizing our natural state of being. Yeah, yes, and so I mean, I've seen it myself where you've got somebody in the street being beaten up by somebody else, and everybody walks past. No one wants to get involved.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:55

You know, you'll get one brave soul that will will step in.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

When perhaps in the 70s and early 80s, completely different all the technology came in, there would have been a lot of people that would have come to no doubt about it.

SPEAKER_00 20:08

No doubt about it. Um, and and that there's been like a heavy push in the last like decade, uh, decade and a half, um, to really because the time's running out, they don't have very much time left, excuse me, to um put this plan into place. Um and it's it's it's it also ties into transhumanism, and um, you know, because if they can get tech into the human being, as much tech as they can into the human being, then they can start um taking you know that separating the heart faster. Um that's why, you know, um there's a big push for atheism now. I it's not none of my business what anybody believes, but there is a there is a there is a there's a calculated agenda behind it.

SPEAKER_03 20:53

But it's still cutting us off at that we're only here and this is all we are.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And it it's it I mean it's reinforcing that lie, that um birth and death, and that's it lie. Yeah, yeah. A lot of these guys don't want to die either, because then they sort of would have to face um face up a lot of stuff that they've done. So there's I mean they have technology, they have, I mean, the technology that they have, they have age regression technology, so they can do that stuff. A lot of the um a lot of the uh third reich is still continued on and still continue going. A lot of the programs that uh that the children were involved in um and that I was connected to in the 70s and 80s, they don't do that anymore. They don't do those particular ones anymore. They can they can program somebody through um technology so they can give them the the memories to make them think that they went through those things and were traumatized. But they you know so so that's good enough. If they think they were traumatized and they went through it, then that's good enough to make them split split the mind and you know disassociate the mind, because it's all about disassociation. Um they uh it disassociation is a big key to all of this, you know. Um because you you know when you disassociate somebody, they then uh don't know what they did. And then they can, you know, that's where trigger words come in and um um the uh uh um Manchurian candidate-based type stuff comes in. Um and it's it's they learned. I I I did believe that the Zeta, which are the like the the Armand Almond eye Greys that we call, gave particular group of human beings the information in the more uh more precise information because I know they've been doing disassociation because if you look at the Egyptian Book of the Dead, it explains in that particular book how that they were you they were using potions uh or drugs uh and trauma to disassociate back back then. Um but they refined it, they refined it big time in during the Second World War. But I think that that information was given from the Zaeta to them to how to honeycomb split the mind.

SPEAKER_02 23:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

So um uh what what the what the children went through in these particular projects, the children were picked for for from specific bloodlines, which is connected to Project Oak Tree, where so they were they they they found certain mothers from certain blood lines um connected to uh different strains because they're looking for specific DNA from specific bloodlines to traumatize they said they found the mothers and then the mothers for who were in who were born in the 50s, uh their children were born in the 70s and 80s, those were the ones who were like the the the origin the the they were the original ones that were that were that were shattered that way. Um, and then you know, I I think I've explained a little bit about it before, where um how and why um trauma what on what trauma-based mind control is and why it's used and um shattering the mind through through extreme trauma.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

What sort of techniques have you been doing yourself? You know, just just something that maybe help others that are listening to the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:36

In terms of what? In terms of self-healing?

SPEAKER_03 24:38

Uh self-healing and and um um and overcoming this disassociation.

SPEAKER_00 24:44

Yeah, it's quite difficult. Um you've got to have somebody, you've got to you have to have work with somebody that you really trust. And you've got to find somebody that that um will understand you and understand, and you've got to find somebody that really loves you because you know there's the what comes along with people who've been through these projects is extreme personalities. Yeah, and um uh you know, addiction is directly tied to um uh uh all of this stuff. So you have all of these rehabs that are all, especially in the US, they're there a lot of them are you know reprogramming centers because they know that they're gonna magnetically draw to them um people who've been through these projects, because trauma-based mind control creates addiction. Um sexual abuse creates opiate addiction. Um and so you know that so they they know what they're doing. It's like they do it, then they create, they create the problem, and they can the solution is there, but it's their solution, then so then they draw them to it. And if somebody starts to wake up or somebody starts to realize, you know, what's going on, they gather gather them in, pull them in again.

SPEAKER_03 26:05

Yeah, so that reprogramming is.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

You know, they'll either kill them or they'll assassinate their character, or they will make them seem as if they're completely insane, so nobody pays any attention to what they say.

SPEAKER_03 26:26

And we've seen some of that with some of the Hollywood stars.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Absolutely 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lots of them. Lots of them. When the programming breaks down, um, it's pretty intense, you know, because it it will it will throw you into a uh uh a spin like nothing else, like you've literally you know you lost your mind. And that's happened to um uh quite a few Hollywood Brittany Spears is a good example, actually. Interestingly enough, like the name Spears, there's a connect there's uh and she there's a her birthday as well is uh 12-2, and um, yeah, so there's the 2-2 connection as well. So yeah, her breakdown was interesting. Not in in in you know, in if you're looking at it as a study, yeah, as a study guide, you know. Um uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:19

Is there anything that you would like to say to the listeners um about your hopes for humanity?

SPEAKER_00 27:28

Yeah, okay. I I believe, and I truly believe this, I I believe that the war is already finished, and I believe that we already overcame it and already it's done already. The majority of the work has been done um by the volunteer consciousness that has come down here to help awaken everybody up. The majority of the work has been done, so now we're just playing it out, but the storyline is being played out, and we're watching, and it is a storyline. It is a storyline. Everything that you that you watch on the television that's going on with politics is a storyline. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

Okay, I think for myself, I'm seeing uh the time we're in right now is very pivotal for great change, humanity, and it's a raising conscious awareness, which is actually really vital. Yes. Um, what hopes do you have? What what dreams do you see for humanity to where it's where the potentials it can lead to?

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Um the potentials it could lead to. I think that um choices have already been made by um everybody that's here, whether or not they're going to uh continue doing the same, stay in the same uh dualistic time loop, master slave reality. If they haven't learned the lessons from that, then then then their higher self will maybe choose to stay in that. So they would go to another free to a frequency where that would continue. So they would learn relearn the lessons of that. Um the other the the other the uh upside of it, so that there's there's ones who have chosen who to stay here that will stay on this planet, stay on the heart in the heart, which earth is the heart, and create a new paradigm. A paradigm which because this paradigm is completely inverted in every possible sense. Everything they everything that is here, everything they do is is inverted. The justice system, the teaching system, the political system is all inverted, perfectly, you know, perfectly inverted. They even speak inversion. Basically, uh the way they speak, you can pretty much be sure what they if what they say, if you go with the exact opposite, then you're gonna get the truth. Um, so we can build a new paradigm, but you have but the but you'd have we'd have to all align our consciousness with um uh uh uh a lot in in a I mean I'm trying, I was gonna say loving nature, but that's sort of maybe. It's about contribution as well, but all contributing and loving my gift nature or or or yeah, uh a giving and a natural giving and taking uh um uh nature, which would then create a paradigm of compassion and empathy and kindness, um, and so where everybody sort of takes care of everybody else because they understand that you are actually me, and that that we're that's another where we have an intrinsic understanding of that. So um you would never you would never want to harm yourself. So it's it's a lot of healing uh has to be done to self to know that you know that that that that you can be kind to yourself and loving to yourself, and then you can you can create a paradigm where um it's just naturally giving and taking and balanced. And so we sort of like align ourselves that way.

SPEAKER_03 30:57

Yeah, I I would say it was um giving, sharing, allowing, accepting.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Acceptance, yes, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 31:06

And and celebrating everybody and their uniqueness and what they have to offer as well. I everybody's got something to offer.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Something magical to offer, yeah, totally. And accepting that, yeah, uh, I agree with you. Um uh and uh um celebrating the little things, the tiny things about um everybody. And you know, uh obviously the the way that the construct of this particular paradigm that we're in at the moment is the opposite of that, where uh it's uh people are picking and pointing and blaming. Blame is such a such a huge part of this paradigm. Nobody wants to take responsibility for the fact that thing that certain things happen to them. I mean, um it's not okay that that those things happened, but um it there has to be an element of responsibility. You know, you know, we have to understand that we, you know, we are building, we are building our own reality. We're we are uh on a collective level, there is a building. You know, I the way I see it was so humanity is shattered into a single, a single single consciousness shattered into a billion different pieces, but it's all the same, it's all the same piece, really. So if once there is an understanding of that, a true understanding, not just a knowing, I know that, true understanding of it, then uh we because we're the ones who are building the reality, yeah. This this vampiric consciousness that's attached itself to the heart, it's like an attachment, literally. It's like I always see it as an octopus, actually, like put like that. And it's the same, so you've had the heart, and this octopus is like attached itself to it, and the heart is the earth, so you can see maybe see it like that, and and and it's it's draining and sucking from it, you know. And um, if it can only do it if we allow it to do it though, because we're the ones who are building here, that it doesn't build. So if we like we said in the uh earlier on, uh come to understand and accept a lot of it again, is like nobody accepts themselves, nobody really truly accepts themselves. We are all finding, you know, uh imperfections and and uh uh you know when we do truly accept ourselves, that vampiric consciousness will sort of cease to exist anymore because it can only exist if we um don't like ourselves. Yes, yes, and this is part of uh it's just the id or the dark side of self, really. It's only it's only it's just a reflection of the way we feel about our ourselves.

SPEAKER_03 33:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 33:53

So if we change the way that we feel about ourselves, it will change.

SPEAKER_03 33:59

Yeah, shadow if we're talking about shadow work now, yeah, and uh our look identifying our shadow self.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Um and not hating it, yes, not hating it, because hating it only empowers it. Yes, actually understanding and accepting it and knowing it, uh it's sort of like embracing it in a sense, really. So if you embrace it, it it will then cease to be parasitic.

SPEAKER_03 34:20

And I think also uh for myself, I've done a lot of shadow work, and uh one of the prime things for myself in understanding myself was observing myself really very sincerely, no excuses, and and looking at how I behave and what needs that I'm demanding outside of myself upon others each day.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Yeah, yes, yeah, and that's a hard thing to do, actually, to look at yourself and to look at your to to really look at the actions that you do to others. Um, yeah, it's a big thing, and I think. Well, most people are so caught up in the um in the the mess that they don't they sort of don't have time to. And a lot don't want to either, because if you if you do that, then you have to take responsibility. Um and that's you know, people would really don't would rather say, look, it's your fault, because then it's like quick it over that way.

SPEAKER_03 35:16

Um, this is all part of loving ourselves into life, yeah, when we when we're doing shadow work as well. Yeah um because we through for such a long time we have been governed by religions and we're sinners or or what have you, and feeling bad about ourselves and have a lack of self-worth.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:38

Anything that when I have been going through the process of my own shadow work, it's it's not to um beat myself up on anything, it's just a mistake. Yeah, it's not a mistake, it's just a mistake on understanding something, and I can change that. I have the power within myself to always change that.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Yeah, definitely. I believe that I imagined myself into existence. So I thought myself here in the first place. If I thought myself here, then I can think myself into anything that I I want to think myself into, and so then with that means that if that's true, then that means we can do that as a collective as well. We can think ourselves out of the situation that we're in. Beautiful, yes. Right? Definitely, yes, and I really believe that. It's um it's just it it it and it it it does seem a lot harder than it actually is, and I think it's actually quite simple to do. Um, I just think that um people are not maybe um once you're uh alone and once you're once you get into that place in alone when there's no distractions, that's when you can start to start um identifying and doing those things to get to that point. Yes. Um and you know, that's the beginning, and so that's where we need that that that's how to start doing it. I think it's important as well to um not go the guru route and not start, you know, okay, you know, you know, said the following thing.

SPEAKER_03 37:14

Well, that goes into back into need again. Yeah. And what I understand, we've I've really defined need because that's passed with the altered ego that just runs riot and trashes everybody because we need, need, need, and drawing off of every so we're the vampires too, yeah, yeah, amongst each other.

SPEAKER_01 37:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

Um and the alternative community I've seen completely argue and break down in the last number of years, which is very upsetting to see when actually we should all be working together and we should all we've all got a common thing, we all want a better future for this planet, yes, and for humans.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

This whole uh you've got m multiple agent provocateurs in there, of course. Um who are sent there to very, very, very carefully and calculated be placed into certain positions. And um you've got to be very wary of anybody who um is becoming who who is sort of mainstream and doing that, you know, because um once you're mainstream and doing it, you're sort of under the under the octopus sort of control. Yes, you know. Um I I don't know then how uh it's an interesting thought how you would um be able to do it then, um, because if assuming something well, uh it's it depends who's backing you, you know. Like I'm just talking about I'm not naming names, I was talking about you know the the big the bigger names of people who would who were doing this, you know, uh who are doing this thing. Um it's where the money's coming from and who's backing that, you know, and whoever's backing it, um you've got to look at that. And um we follow the money. Yeah, exactly. And if you if it's do if it's if it's if it's creating that, uh and then it's pro then you can be pretty sure um that it's it's leading in the wrong direction. Yes. And then just all it's doing is is is creating um the same thought pattern, issues, and prisons that we've got in all the other systems that are going on. So then it just turns the the this this alternative scene into um uh a religion. Yes. Uh fighting infighting in religion or infighting in politics, it becomes the same thing. Um so so uh how to avoid that, how to avoid that, or how to avoid that would be to not follow, to not not to not be you know to to to be it to be to be in groups, but to understand your individuality as well, and to appreciate and and and uh respect that and um make sure to not hand your power over to somebody else and say, okay, so this person says it, then it's true. Yes, that's that's just that critical. Because if you do that, then you're just slipping back into the old ways, and the old that's the old paradigm. That's we're trying to create a new paradigm where that doesn't exist. I think we're doing a good job. I think we can do it. And oh well, I know we've done it, I know we're gonna do it. Yes, so it's going to unfold and it's gonna work out. Yes, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

I think also with groups and and people, um, I think everybody's trying to find somebody that thinks exactly the same as they do. And but we all think slightly differently. We're never going to agree on absolutely everything, right? And I think allowing another person's truth, and that person allowing my truth, and I allow your truth, and and so on, if we all do that as well, but we've got this common goal that we want we want a betterment for everybody that's living on this planet. Yeah, a fairer system where everybody can grow and everybody can can feel supported because at the moment I see humanity is just it's just warned worn torn and it doesn't know where to go, it doesn't know who who who they are, they've completely forgotten, they don't even know their nature anymore.

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Yeah, it's a definitely that you could call this planet the planet of amnesia, that's that's for sure. Like where everybody's walking around having no clue who they really are. Um so um, you know, finding out, you know, find looking, looking, definitely looking. You know, they say in like that that was been pushed in the X Files of like the truth is out there. Is that so the truth is actually right here, not out there. Truth is in here, yeah, exactly. Not out there. You don't have to go searching outside, it's all already layered in your cells and in your DNA and in your core self and in your soul self, it's there already. So it's that it's about going inside. So it's very a bit of trickery there, yes, um, but but you know, by using that and then then them replaying or restarting up the X Files again. Um not been very good. First episode was like yeah, weeks, really. It was better than the others, but then yes, yeah. But what they if okay, so if they're putting into if they're layering into that show that 9-11 was uh, you know, was an inside job, then okay, so then you've got a question, what's the motives behind that? Do they want to really want to get that that information out truly? Think they perhaps they do. So because they're what they're trying to do is create um so their their motto is auto ab chaos, which means order out of chaos. So that in the final stages of their plan, they want to have as much chaos as possible as possible, much chaos as possible, including a race war, which they've been trying to put together for a long time.

SPEAKER_03 42:53

What I've noticed as well since 9-11 is the paranoia. No one trusts anyone. You you smile in the street to a stranger, yeah. There is suspicion immediately in many people's minds and thinking, are you about to mug me? Yeah, I know. You know, what are you going to do? It was just a friendly smile that you that was we used to do that all the time. I know, I know, yeah. You know, and and people also you could be on the underground, on the trains, everybody's plugged into something. There's no conversations, there's no interaction, and we as humans are sociable, we're sociable creatures.

SPEAKER_00 43:28

Well, technology is also uh about you know isolating, they want to isolate as much as possible so that we don't connect with we you don't connect with one another. Um they definitely don't want you to connect with one another at all. Um, because if you do, it that's what I mean. That's why the languages were created in the first place. Because if we all spoke, if we all got together and discussed why this goes, why this is going on, why that's going on, we'd sort of come to the truth a lot faster. So the languages were another another trick. Also, you know. know a language gives you a different perspective on how things look literally look and seem and feel and how you how you would respond to it so uh somebody who speaks a you know uh French or German or would would have a complete you know a different perception of the planet itself because of the phonetics and because of the sounds of words like I earlier on I said about phonetics is so important not just the spelling the sounds um uh then also create they've embedded within the within the words um little things little tricks to uh which are we we like all the symbols that are so they speak right brain you know they they they they communicate through right brain thinking which is all uh symbols and sigils that's how they that's what that's how they speak to you that's how they communicate to each other um all those symbols uh we already know in our mind we already know what they are that the the one that they use a lot is a triangle with a circle around it that symbol was created um uh by the loot by the Lucis Trust um I'm trying to think of her name now who who who who started it I can't think of her name I'll think of maybe I'll think of it Alice Bailey yes Alice Bailey started the Lucis Trust right well that symbol with the uh it's it's uh it's what's a an upward triangle is male and a downward triangle is female so a triangle like that with a circle around it is means the male contained so the male energy contained and if you want to attack and take over a planet um you have to first of all take out the strong alpha males first because then you that then it's easier to take over so this was all about there you know there's an agenda which is about trying to effeminize males as much as possible so that the the the the war the the the warriors the male warriors of the planet are weakened that way so they can't fight back as much I've noticed that's they use that symbol with the triangle with the circle around it uh for toy for restrooms I see it all the time on for restrooms I don't know why that's peculiar isn't it yeah why are they putting it on on on there for that it's also the symbol for Alcoholics Anonymous they all wear the triangle with the circle around it so what are they doing in I'm not knocking uh any of the anonymous groups because I know they've done like wonderful things for people they definitely have but why are they using that symbol which is no containment of the male I don't know why. And also the subconscious understands that symbol far better than what our all of us understand the symbols they're using just not maybe not uh you know right not consciously but subconsciously we do so um they can speak to us uh through that way and they do every day all all day uh through you know through I've noticed with commercials too that um when you have a block of commercials they're not individual anymore they're like they're all connected together they're they've they've they've honed down the mind control technique so much that I can watch them and I can see how each one of the commercials is connected to each other and how each one of the commercials is also connected to the television show that is on as well. So they're they're they're sort of balancing it in and it is a massive bombardment of um uh symbology that goes on through like TV now and very fast uh changes yeah camera shifts yeah like this which then invokes um you know that that after you after watching television for something like 15 minutes it puts the mind into like a beta state yeah so which is like in you go into a dream or a hypnotized dream state so then it can then speak directly to your subconscious so you fall that you watch a television show a particular television show before you go to bed and you go to sleep you have then asked been astral programmed to do something in Astral by the television program. Yes you know and they have we haven't even covered and that's what a labyrinth isn't it yeah in the astral oh totally but I you know I believe that the that that the okay the astral realm which is the four 4D um is is pretty much taken over uh they have pretty much control of all the 4D as well um uh yeah so so but it's still you know it's still a they have all their meetings and all the governmental meetings and all of the political stuff is all held in in the in the astral realm they don't need to get on a plane and fly from one country to another to go and do it they could there's there are certain hotels that you can go and stay in and you stay in a certain room and then you go to sleep in that room and then that will bring you to the certain point as in the in the astral realm. Wow yeah so they got that that down so because the hotels like like the Hilton hotels exactly all the Hilton the like all the Hilton hotels are used for that. If you look at the symbol for the that at the Hilton it's an H, okay which you mean which means a gate anyway H is H is eight and uh it's it's a symbol for a gate or a stargate and it had the acros where where it crosses the H like this it swirls around like a snake. So they the Hilton hotels are used for uh meetings uh elite um not good elite meetings yeah yeah a lot of ritualistic stuff goes on underneath the Hilton hotels too yeah um sorry you uh even the the name Hill Tone it has something to do with tone okay so the tone the frequen tone is a frequency so it's um that the they're built on specific frequency lines so it tell they always tell you what they're doing they're always very clear and going back to the TV yeah I remember in a recent interview I believe you said you'd given up TV you know you know you didn't weren't watching TV you didn't break I went I I took a break from it for a while yeah yeah and I noticed I noticed when I stopped watching it I noticed um well I I stopped I stopped watching regular television like television shows like that I still watch I I'm like I like movies I I'll go watch movies still but I didn't watch the regular TV that uh where you know you watch a show and then there's commercials and then I I stopped doing that.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

I I switched off the TV when analog went. I refused to go digital so I think it's about eight years now something like that. It's been a while, hasn't it yeah and so I've been without TV but when I go to a shop or somewhere where they've got a TV or in the dentist room or something like that. I have been shocked on how fast uh adverts in even movies and and TV problems it's also aggressive now. Because I've been without it it's um just this noise and it's it it feels like it's just attacking my energy field and and my my own thought patterns and it's it's a bombardment and well they've made they've they've slowly remember that to implement any of these things they do it in a drip drip so like slowly slowly slowly do it.

SPEAKER_00 51:44

But they've wrapped it up slowly well they but the sneaky yeah this this what they did especially with like with animation is because animation is magic too you know it's it's but look at the Disney films. Well that yeah that's a whole nother topic yeah but um with terms like Family Guy um um it it's extremely vile i mean it's like I mean it it's become oh South Park it's become extremely vile and they say these are cartoon like cartoons made for uh you know adults but they know full well if it's a cartoon like kids are going to be drawn to it. So you've got young children watching like some and uh you know extremely extremely vile things and one thing I couldn't believe on uh Family Guy there's one of the characters is um like a pedophile and it's funny and it's supposed to be funny yeah it's like it's laughed at how is that funny that the the guy the the guy what the this is an old man who is predatorial to the children and uh it's normalizing it yes I mean what I've noticed my yes part of the new world yes part of their new world system is to totally normalize that pedophilia and uh they they're slowly making children more adult yeah so that they're dressing children for quite quite some time yeah but it's it's been it's really pushed now and you know and when you have um uh you know also uh celebrity couples with their children saying they're not sure what gender they are that five years old has a child and what a child hasn't developed yes so how how could them possibly know I mean I've been watching I have been keeping abreast with um all that's been coming out in the last couple of years to do a paedophilia around the world it's not just isolated in certain countries it's just everywhere and I've been quite dismayed actually how many people humans ordinary Joe blobs just I don't know if it's they just don't know how to handle it um or they don't understand it or they believe in the media saying oh no that that was that was just a nonsense and things the amount of children that are going missing each year around the world um you know where are the where are the parents right for all the you know there should be outrage everybody knows about Magdalene right uh Madeline yeah but but where are all these all these other parents right and they should be questioned hundreds of thousands of children go missing in the yeah yeah humanity for it to exist and continue on yeah should be looking after their young because our young are our future well that that that yes yeah yeah definitely but the the attack the attack on the children is to attack the innocence of the human being and attacking the innocence is an attack to the heart yeah so that's that's another attack on the heart of the human beings um yeah it's really really awful and essentially what you know what they do to children is is what's being done to human beings the human race as a collective we're being abused as a collective that way.

SPEAKER_03 54:59

Yes um so it's just the microcosm of what is being done on a grand scale um one reflects the other it always does I know I've been absolutely heartbroken over those last couple of years with all that's been I I knew it went I knew it went on even for myself it took me a while to be brave enough to really dig down then to that rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_00 55:22

Yeah it's it's a difficult one to go up to and I mean and it's it's coming out since uh Sabble came out you know it's a big deal but um it didn't go far enough it's kind of people sort of don't people sort of still don't accept it though yes they don't want they don't want to believe that they're idols from when this was very calculated this was done very calculated this was done to once again break the human heart so they have you have all these people that we grow up with watching on television who we think are wonderful and great and they and then it was set up so that 20 years down the line we find out that they're actually predatorial uh you know just you know despicable human beings that's a hit on the heart again and so so people don't want to accept that and I even did a post you know the other day um connected to uh uh another celebrity that had died you know there was a string of celebrities that seemed like died all of a sudden and um I who I believe is connected to uh the this ring that got what connected to the BBC um and people were outraged and angry that I would dare to say that this you know public figure who had been so seemingly wonderful all the years would would even do anything like that. People don't want that. People don't want they a lot of people would even rather die than than uh uh than then that be true.

SPEAKER_03 56:49

But we're living in the era now of truth and transparency. That's where we're moving into and so there is going to be a pain and a and readjusting of understanding how reality has been working behind the scenes for a very we're going through the to into the mode of where um all the unseen becomes seen.

SPEAKER_00 57:09

Yes and like the veil completely is gets pulled away. Yes that that is going to be in and of itself traumatizing to the collective mind. So it's um and I actually believe that you know some people are not even when it's right in front of their face still not going to uh believe it.

SPEAKER_03 57:30

I think for those that do listen and do start seeing reality as it is rather than the fairy tale that we've been laid I I it's so important for us all to support each other when we're going through this because it is tough.

SPEAKER_00 57:45

Yeah yeah definitely and like you to you you to support you'd have first of all you have to accept it to be true before you can support.

SPEAKER_01 57:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 57:56

So if you don't accept it to be true then then even so even all the stuff that that that's come out you know in the you know the years after the Saddle thing that there's more and more information like I mean unbelievably disturbing things that he did you know connected with dead bodies and connected with um uh the like the he would have keys to psych wards and like people don't that sort of is too much for them to to get to understand so they they won't do it. And so they where where are we at? So where where are we at with that how how how much how much how much how much can people take and there there has to be a grieving process too you know because it's the death as like the the old paradigm dies you sort of we all have to grieve over the death of like the way that we thought things were and then then moving into like the new will well then it it would be amazing but you have to sort of like let go of the old first otherwise you're not going to go into the new and I think that's that strength for us to move on into that new place.

SPEAKER_02 59:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:08

Goes right back to what we began with and that was about loving ourselves into life. Yeah yeah and you know going within and and really defining within ourselves what do I know what do I feel is right you know what what what does my soul tell me yeah yes it's not just what what someone's saying on the TV.

SPEAKER_00 59:30

Right no no that's the that's the um the the the guru thing um is there anything else that because we're we're just about to wrap up now is there anything you'd like to leave us with um I want to leave you with the fact that um it is it is gonna be alright and and we are we we have we are gonna come through this and there the transition into the new is going to be intense and it is gonna it's it's it is gonna get a little bit worse before it gets better but it has to it's sort of a it's sort of a wound that that has to be addressed looked at and and then healed and like so there's the healing process you know process that goes along with that but um it's like an amazing journey this is the most amazing time to be alive ever in history this has never happened before like this nothing is never it's never happened quite like this before yeah so there's a lot of souls that have come down here just to experience this awakening point of where human beings realize hang on a second none of what we've been told is true at all we've been lied to all along by this particular consciousness that's doing this and another time we can address that particular consciousness and why and what it is yes brilliant yeah so it's onwards and upwards into the future and creating a beautiful future for everyone yeah yeah yeah then exactly it's in it's in the hands of the people we are the creators and they aren't the creators they can't create we can take responsibility and create for ourselves thank you so much Matt very welcome I was like yeah thank you thank you brilliant brilliant awesome thank you very much okay